Not Mindbender

Last Candition: March 24, 2012


4 out of 5
Date of Trip: February 29, 2020

We did the shorter version. Small patches of snow easily avoidable on the north sides. South sides all clear. Only really one pool of water that needed to be avoided right above the 15ft slide in the canyon.

4 people in group, 6 hours car to car. Climb out is very easy to loacte and pretty easy but I would still say a bit harder than 5.5. Its at least a 5.6 for a tall person. Some moves are a bit committing and reachy. Shorter people may want a rope to grab and help them up.

The canyon was shorter than I had hoped for the work to get there and back out - but still worth it.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 10, 2017

Amazing canyon. Roads are in good condition except a couple places where lots of deep sand got blown into road way that makes it very challenging with a 2wd car. Waterlevel got about waist high since we were able to stem in the water the first long pool. Could be a possible swim if not skilled for stemming. We didn’t bring wetsuit and got a bit chilly in the shade; ambient temp about 65 degrees that day. Did the standard canyon with 2 rappels. 1st rap had chock stone and good webbing. 2nd rap (89ft) had 2 brand new looking B&H with clean webbing and rapid link.

The 2 tricky pot holes had water about thigh deep in one of them. Lots of sand, no mud. Took Moki exit with not so easy 5.5 climb out. About 6 ½ hours car to car.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 23, 2017

Best of the Mindbender Canyons!!! We did the long route starting at the very top of the canyon where it is still a wash. No wet suits on 70ish day. Water in a few spots but all avoidable by those skilled in stemming. All anchors looked good and the final anchor has some really nice new looking mechanical blots. 9 hrs car to car (shuttle at exit) with a 6 person group (1 new canyoneer)

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: November 7, 2015

Canyon had chest deep water in 3 separate places. Wetsuits are required. Water was freezing, lots of mud and water on the bottom of the first rappell. Semi keeper pothole near the 2nd rappell was full of slippery mud.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: April 6, 2014

All water was avoidable with effort. One spot was estimated at waist-ish deep if we had gone in, other small water pockets appeared foot or shin deep. Final rappel still had webbing equalized between a bolt and wedged rock.

2 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 4, 2013

Very muddy and cold. Slick and unavoidable mud in some spots. We were covered from the chest down including packs and ropes, making the last rappel very unpleasant. A wetsuit would help a little and is recommended. Expect to coat most of your gear with very thick mud.

There is still one bolt on the final rappel. Anchors were in fair condition.

I recommend waiting a month to let this canyon dry out before giving it a try.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 28, 2013

The roads are in good shape until the spur out to the trail heads. There are a couple of washouts that require 4wd or at least high clearance. The canyon is still muddy, stemming over mud pits worked well in a couple places. Only needed to rap twice. No wetsuits needed, but we were all shivering at the top of the last rap. Awkward start for that one! The Moki step exit was easy to find and easy to solo. Loved how close the exit was to the end of the road up on the mesa, where we had stashed my mountain bike. Beautiful canyon, great day.

3 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 18, 2013

roads are terrific much to our surprise. canyon is a mud pit. covered head to toe in filth. SERIOUS quicksand in multiple spots. veeeeery hard to escape. dont commit entire team at once. replaced lots of webbing. final rap is a little interesting. bolt backed up with chokestone. entry is a little spicey. found alternate exit that shaved off time. waypoints coming....

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: April 6, 2013

Found small amount of water in 3 spots. Able to completely avoid 2 and the 3rd, we tossed in a rock and were able to get across with only one foot slightly wet. Dry potholes just before the final rap. That rap currently has a bolt with a 11mm extension rope & link that goes just over the edge and on the opposite all, a blue sling & link that's anchored about 25 feet back to a chockstone wedged into a crack & matches the rope in length. We used the bolt anchor and only attached the blue sling as backup. Best to use a 200 ft rope here.

We also set up the canyon exit with a rope. For several reasons - glad we did. Overall - lots of sandy desert walking & wash walking with some entertaining slot sections thrown in. Amazing complex of canyons.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: November 24, 2012

Great Canyon. Brought a few first timers and they did great. We ran into just a few small pools, avoided most of them, but we did get water up to our knees. Dried quickly though. No snow on the exit. Not much mud. The existing anchors were in good shape with the exception of the back up to the bolt at the final anchor. The tubular webbing going to the chokestone upcanyon was filled with mud. The bolt (new addition since I did the canyon a few years ago) appeared to be in good shape so we just used that. Roads were easily passable in a tacoma. One sand dune may be difficult for a low clearance or 2WD vehicle.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: November 5, 2012

Overall great intermediate canyon. Water up past knees in a couple of spots, some unavoidable wading. Anchors in fair shape. There are 1-2 spots that need some careful partner assists (no anchors).

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 1, 2012

Roads in good shape. Upper slot dry and fun. The lower slot had a section of waist deep water filled with branches and twigs, somewhat difficult to push through. Below the slide and rappel, the slot was full of quickmud of unknown depth, I did not touch the bottom and had to "swim" across the surface, very very messy. I may have been able to stem over this section if I had started soon enough. By the time I realized my situation, the walls were coated with mud up about 3 feet. The webbing at the rappel after the slide needs to be replaced, other anchors okay.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 24, 2012

1st time thru NotM so not sure but doubt it is like this often. Fair amount of water left over from a prev flash, but the big big prob was MUD!!! All of the slots and chimneys had deep mud in them. Water often waist deep but mud up to knee or more. Worst was a 50-75' slot after a rap into an alcove. Wide enough to walk thru if dry but water came up to armpits and mud was waist deep. Very very hard and slow to get thru, little dangerous. Not noobie or short person friendly and no way of assisting. Anchor above Great Falls was covered in 4' of debris we had to clear. Never ever seen this b4. We had to go into Hanksville to clean up, our gear was useless. Fantastic adventure, climbing Moki exit in mud shoes interesting. Doubt it will dry up soon.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 3, 2012

A fun canyon, the water wasn't nasty and smelly and most came up to my waist or even a little higher. All the anchors were in great condition. Lots of work to get out of the wash after the canyon though.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: March 24, 2012

We descended Not Mindbender using the short route. There were 3 pools of minor water (ankle deep); one was terribly stinky. There is no anchor at the 15 foot slide. Most of the group got a meat anchor. The last man did a pack drag with a capture at the bottom. The other 2 raps had new webbing and were in good condition. The last rap has a new bolt placed with additional backup from a chockstone.