Pine Creek

Last Candition: November 2, 2019

5.0

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: November 2, 2019

Cathedral pothole had water over the head of 6'9" adult man. Exiting the pothole is going to get trickier if the water level continues to drop. Wetsuits and happy we did.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 18, 2019

What USofCS said earlier this week. Park was very busy, had to wait a while at the Pine Creek parking lot to get a space. Chose to go with wetsuits and was glad for it. Cathedral water is avoidable by rappelling through a window on the left. Everything else is dry. A delightful run!

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 14, 2019

Now have a chance to do pine creek without a wetsuit. Only one section of water in the cathedral. The rest was bone dry. You can even by pass the water by rappelling to the right through an arch. Unique to see it that dry.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 9, 2019

Third and final descent of Pine Creek this year. Water was a little colder than previous descents. Otherwise, same conditions as late August.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: August 29, 2019

A month later: conditions are similar, water a little lower, but not much. Water is less than waste deep everywhere except two places, I think: the cathedral (very short swim) and a ways down canyon where it came up to my chest. Had the canyon to myself.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 21, 2019

Beautiful conditions. A few short swims. Had 4/3 wetsuit. Based on watermarks on walls near canyon floor, I could tell water levels have dropped 1-2 feet over the last few weeks. With my wetsuit, I was not cold at all. Would have probably been fine with a 3mm. Will do it again soon.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 14, 2019

First time in this canyon and a pretty novice canyoneering. Two

Of us went in at 0800 and out by noon with some fun swimming and playing around in the pools. There were about three swims in the canyon none of which were very long or strenuous. We had a floating disconnect in the cathedral, but it was crazy easy. We were super happy to have wet suits as the water was quite cold! Enjoy!

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 12, 2019

Did it solo without wetsuit. Pretty full. Not max level but still holding a lot of water. Encountered several swims. Two were quite long. As to be expected, water in belly of canyon was cold. Would recommend wetsuit but doable without for those who can move at good pace.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 28, 2019

Very full of water right now. Everything that could be a swimmer is. I had a 4/3 and got a bit cold.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 7, 2019

Very full of water! Lots of swimming. It looks like a boulder fell down or logs washed away at the glue-in rappel; you can't reach it anymore. I remember being able to downclimb under some rocks that have been filled-in. All were happy with 4mm minimum wetsuits. Those without neoprene gloves wished they had them.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: March 31, 2019

Fresh, flowing and cold. Flowing 2-3 cfs according to a Park LE ranger. A lots of water and swimming, a full 5mm was barely warm enough. 3 hours 15 minutes road to road.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 24, 2018

First time down for our entire group. The water was clean and cold, but with wetsuits very pleasant. We started at 9:00am, encountered no other groups until the 2nd switchback. There are a few awkward raps. Just a few small swims. Canyon is stunning.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 22, 2018

The water is cold and about mid-level with no flow. Not full, but not low either.

I had a 3mm farmer-john wetsuit and was a little chilled at times. Recommend a full wetsuit. The two others in my group had full 4/3mm and were comfortable.

Anchors and webbing are in good shape. There are some changes to the canyon due to the storms and floods earlier in the summer. The log that was jammed in the second stage of the first rap is no longer present. This actually makes that small drop a lot easier, though. Some hand lines are also gone but that's not a big deal.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 28, 2018

Hot day, afternoon start after Key Hole. Lots of small swimmers and definitely a need for a 3/2 shortie for me. Its just cold enough and since the entrance and exit are fast, worth it.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 23, 2018

100+ deg, afternoon start. Canyon was full of water and appeared to be a few feet below it's max. Couple long swimmers and much wading. I did not need a wetsuit but 13 yr old wore full 3/2. A group earlier went through without wetsuits. Webbing on second rap off 2 bolts RDC with green webbing will need to be changed soon.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 8, 2018

Water levels are extremely low. Only two pools were chest deep and only for about 3 feet in length. The pothole at the first anchor is ankle-knee deep and the long swim in the dark corridor is completely devoid of water.

The water that you encounter is still very cold, but--and I cannot believe I'm saying this--it is currently possible to do Pine Creek without a wetsuit.

However, I would still recommend a bringing wetsuits. The water is still very cold and if you get stuck behind a group you won't want to wait in the water for them.

Our group put on wet suits for the short swims we encountered and were glad for it. One girl in our group did not put on a wetsuit and was shivering for a bit until we got to a sunny spot.

The upcoming forecast is for rain, so I don't expect it to stay like this.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 24, 2018

Still beautiful, but nearly empty! No swimmers anywhere, water barely got above my waist most places. Wore a 3/2 farmer john and was pretty much perfect in that. If there were no crowds, could maybe get away running through quickly with no wetsuit, but not worth the chance getting stuck behind another group. Spring after last rap flowing strong, and still plenty of nice pools on the hike out.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 13, 2018

This was the coldest I've ever felt Pine Creek. Rangers said it hadn't rained for a few months enough to flush out the cold water. I had a 3/2 full and other person had a 4/3 full. We had neoprene socks and gloves. We were both almost shivering, despite 103° above. It was gorgeous as always.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 20, 2018

First pothole before first rappel was a swimmer. Canyon was fairly full throughout. Water was perfect with a 3/2 suit. No one in my group got cold. All anchors in good condition. Webbing in decent condition. Some wear, but nothing significant. Some logs and soup in the water but easy to navigate around. Both Anchors on last rappel are good. Used the further one down canyon. No issue with rope pull and glad we didn't have to deal with the down climb/ slide had we done the first. Had 10 feet to spare with a 200 ft. rope. Single lined everything. Saw two parties, one party was doing canyon for first time, but both were well prepared and competent. This is a great canyon if you can just time it right so you don't roll up on a group of 12 in shorts and t shirts with Figure 8s.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 5, 2018

All anchors are in good condition.

We used the "chamber + slide" exit, so do not know about the "beach" exit anchor.

Water was cold, especially the dark corridors after the cathedral.

I used a 4/3mm wetsuit with 2mm vest and shorts underneath and 5mm booties.

I was pretty chilled by the end of the dark section before the open section. Open section was warm and sunny.

Neoprene gloves are a good idea. I did not put mine at first, and my hands got numb.