Pine Creek

Last Candition: May 17, 2011


5 out of 5
Date of Trip: March 31, 2019

Fresh, flowing and cold. Flowing 2-3 cfs according to a Park LE ranger. A lots of water and swimming, a full 5mm was barely warm enough. 3 hours 15 minutes road to road.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 24, 2018

First time down for our entire group. The water was clean and cold, but with wetsuits very pleasant. We started at 9:00am, encountered no other groups until the 2nd switchback. There are a few awkward raps. Just a few small swims. Canyon is stunning.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 22, 2018

The water is cold and about mid-level with no flow. Not full, but not low either.

I had a 3mm farmer-john wetsuit and was a little chilled at times. Recommend a full wetsuit. The two others in my group had full 4/3mm and were comfortable.

Anchors and webbing are in good shape. There are some changes to the canyon due to the storms and floods earlier in the summer. The log that was jammed in the second stage of the first rap is no longer present. This actually makes that small drop a lot easier, though. Some hand lines are also gone but that's not a big deal.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 28, 2018

Hot day, afternoon start after Key Hole. Lots of small swimmers and definitely a need for a 3/2 shortie for me. Its just cold enough and since the entrance and exit are fast, worth it.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 23, 2018

100+ deg, afternoon start. Canyon was full of water and appeared to be a few feet below it's max. Couple long swimmers and much wading. I did not need a wetsuit but 13 yr old wore full 3/2. A group earlier went through without wetsuits. Webbing on second rap off 2 bolts RDC with green webbing will need to be changed soon.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 8, 2018

Water levels are extremely low. Only two pools were chest deep and only for about 3 feet in length. The pothole at the first anchor is ankle-knee deep and the long swim in the dark corridor is completely devoid of water.

The water that you encounter is still very cold, but--and I cannot believe I'm saying this--it is currently possible to do Pine Creek without a wetsuit.

However, I would still recommend a bringing wetsuits. The water is still very cold and if you get stuck behind a group you won't want to wait in the water for them.

Our group put on wet suits for the short swims we encountered and were glad for it. One girl in our group did not put on a wetsuit and was shivering for a bit until we got to a sunny spot.

The upcoming forecast is for rain, so I don't expect it to stay like this.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 24, 2018

Still beautiful, but nearly empty! No swimmers anywhere, water barely got above my waist most places. Wore a 3/2 farmer john and was pretty much perfect in that. If there were no crowds, could maybe get away running through quickly with no wetsuit, but not worth the chance getting stuck behind another group. Spring after last rap flowing strong, and still plenty of nice pools on the hike out.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 13, 2018

This was the coldest I've ever felt Pine Creek. Rangers said it hadn't rained for a few months enough to flush out the cold water. I had a 3/2 full and other person had a 4/3 full. We had neoprene socks and gloves. We were both almost shivering, despite 103° above. It was gorgeous as always.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 20, 2018

First pothole before first rappel was a swimmer. Canyon was fairly full throughout. Water was perfect with a 3/2 suit. No one in my group got cold. All anchors in good condition. Webbing in decent condition. Some wear, but nothing significant. Some logs and soup in the water but easy to navigate around. Both Anchors on last rappel are good. Used the further one down canyon. No issue with rope pull and glad we didn't have to deal with the down climb/ slide had we done the first. Had 10 feet to spare with a 200 ft. rope. Single lined everything. Saw two parties, one party was doing canyon for first time, but both were well prepared and competent. This is a great canyon if you can just time it right so you don't roll up on a group of 12 in shorts and t shirts with Figure 8s.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 5, 2018

All anchors are in good condition.

We used the "chamber + slide" exit, so do not know about the "beach" exit anchor.

Water was cold, especially the dark corridors after the cathedral.

I used a 4/3mm wetsuit with 2mm vest and shorts underneath and 5mm booties.

I was pretty chilled by the end of the dark section before the open section. Open section was warm and sunny.

Neoprene gloves are a good idea. I did not put mine at first, and my hands got numb.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: April 30, 2018

Pretty full of cold water. Had 5mm wetsuits and several were pretty cold. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, if you are done getting wet use the old anchor for the last drop otherwise with the new slightly farther in anchor you have at least waist deep wade to get back to the ground.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: April 24, 2018

Water level is high and also extremely cold. We wore 5mm wetsuits and I would say that's the minimum you should go in with. Looks like some of the logs that sat higher up in the canyon have been washed out. I was concerned about reports of a dead animal in one of the pools but found out from the park service that it was removed a week before since its death was caused by a human. Apparently, some kid chased a sheep into the canyon from above. The heavy rain post removal seemed to have washed out any smell so it was a cold but pleasant trip!

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: March 29, 2018

Everything that can be a swim is a swim.

Water is 33 degrees.

Moved pre-Cathedral rap down to lodged logs for cleaner LOS pull.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 17, 2017

Cruiser, never deeper than chest deep, anchors in good shape. 4/3 mm wetsuits were more than enough. Only ones there this morning, took us 2.5 hours end to end.

4 out of 5
Date of Trip: October 7, 2017

Canyon Full of water. 1st rap was chest deep and remained the same throughout canyon. Water was cold. There still is a very slight stench but not over powering in upper canyon. The sun is very low in the sky, even at 1300 no direct sun at the last 2 raps. Had to wait an hour due to slow and large groups. Got a little chilly. There are 2 rap stations at the last rap.

2 out of 5
Date of Trip: September 2, 2017

There is at least one large dead animal at the top of the canyon. The smell is awful and does not dissipate for the first half of the slot.

I recommend waiting for Mother Nature to flush the canyon clean before doing this route.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: July 9, 2017

Canyon overall... bone dry; had 3/2 wetsuit and could have gone without one (coming from a person who gets cold) considering the 100+ temps. One swim in Cathedral Room, two wades waste deep; rest under knee. All anchors and webbing in good condition, did not need to replace any. 3 hours with 2 experienced people.

2 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 24, 2017

Anchors were fine. Water was very low, only one short swim in the Cathedral and a few waist to chest deep wades. Those that had 3/2 wetsuits (full and Farmer John) were happy with them, though I didn't take one and was glad I didn't. It was a very hot day at about 108F.

Took us a casual 5 hrs with group of 4.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: June 17, 2017

Water level was normal compared to the other times I've done this canyon, a couple of swims and a lot of wading. The water was cold, but a 3/2 should be fine if you're not moving too slowly. Anchors all in good condition.

5 out of 5
Date of Trip: May 24, 2017

A week since last rain, so water cold, measured at 38 degrees post Cathedral.

Webbing good at all anchor spots.

Floating disconnect after first sequence.

Floating disconnect in Cathedral.

Only swim is after Cathedral.

Third rap sequence (from high glued bolt, where canyon opens up) unnecessary; can be downclimbed.

3 in group, one n00b, still 2.75hr car to car.